Hi Ray, Every time I start a workout it overheats again within 3 minutes – causing a burning smell and all resistance to drop away. This is, in contrary to my previous test, almost spot on. If you’ve eliminated all the other variables, there’s something off. I’ve been ripped for using workouts on Zwift. The 2t have been around for some time now, is it possible to get a update on the remaining problem with the neo 2t ? So this is the ‘outlet mall’ version of the Neo? “Like” the Tacx page, and join the “Tacx Apps” group. Food for thought…. I’ll have to poke why, one of the things Garmin specifically drives is near immediate global inventory. Or for that matter, indoors either. I have mac pro 2015 with zwift, connect with bluetooth to neo. This was introduced a few years back on the Tacx NEO 1 unit and continues forward to the NEO 2 and NEO 2T. They replaced it immediately. Usually the average power on rides is different by one watt and i have done the visual comparisons of the curves in excel as well. Beyond that, it’s basically the same rough design as last year’s NEO 2 box. Not happy about that. My Peloton hub, my Bontrager hubs, my Specialized bottom bracket, etc… But in volume, paying an extra $.50 for better bearings becomes a huge expense, sadly, so making tools available for people to service their own trainers is important. Except for the fresh air, the feeling on the Tacx NEO 2T resembles the experience outside. Everything flows via ANT+ FE-C & Bluetooth Smart FTMS locally. I guess that make it even less likely that the will ever put FTMS on it. I have this setup: Tacx NEO 2T, Garmin Edge 530, Zwift running on my iPad. Happy to subscribe to your newsletter. Choosing is getting difficult. But the NEO … You described it as the “back panel” of the leg, so I focused on the rear of the leg and could only see the same blue stripe that’s on the 2. Rosebikes (DE) writes on their description that the Special Edition uses the 2T’s axle and that the freewheels are only compatable to the 2T model, and the 2’s freewheels cannot be used. Maybe it’s more accurate now, or maybe it’s less accurate now. Just realized this photo does have the turntable added. So many are different, and none seem to be spot on, or within any stated accuracy range compared to each other. It’s a minor annoyance, but one I don’t think I should have with a trainer of this price. So. I weigh less that 200 pounds, so I doubt that this is a weight issue. I’m from out of the country and will be visiting the US, what’s the best triathlon shop in city XYZ? Because a different chainring only (mostly) affects the Neo 2T (bigger flywheel speed), I guess it’s the Neo that started to fail accuracy. I received mine in early November, and apparently from day one, the bike wasn’t level on it. Theoretically its right to be concerned about strong magnetic fields with Pacers. As for swapping bikes, if they are the same axle, that makes it a little easier, and if you both can ride the same cassette that obviously makes it much easier. So often I train inside for weeks during the winter just to go outside to get my legs hammered. As always your reviews are super helpful and worth while. TrainerRoad, in my thinking, would probably use the least as far as network traffic. And being awesome is what it’s all about! ANT+ Advanced Power Meter Metrics: This includes pedal smoothness and left/right balance, and later this year Cycling Dynamics as well. In Zwift and Kinomap you get variability by having the road incline change and by being able to instantly sprint (aka SIM mode). Ensure that the number of speeds matches your bike (e.g. All that prefacing done, the Tacx NEO 2T ranks pretty darn high up there in the inertia replication standings. “based on the general fiasco that this year’s indoor trainers have been across all companies ” Seems extremely front panel to me. I had my Di2 bike on the Neo for over 3,000 miles, and only charged it once. Alex. I’d laugh if this was my original unit with new plastic. Hi Greg, this was really helpful. Since then it has been used 3-4 times a week for structured training on TrainerRoad. I connect via BlueTooth, so can’t comment about ANT+. Very very interesant test, with tacx app and garmin 520plus (connected with quarq). They are having me run a diagnostic test and I will try a few things mentioned here. mad::mad::mad:On Saturday I did my first workout with the roller and Zwift. Those could be off as well, where most of them are without calibration or static weight test. I’m looking at buying a new trainer, and boiled my options down to…a Tacx Neo 2 T2850 for £1,012, a Saris H3 + the platform thingy for £1,377, and an Elite Direto XR for £664. You can also play rides you have downloaded through a bike computer and control the trainer too. I think itf 2 agree well and one is off then its a reasonable assumption that the odd one out is the weak link so to speak. So what unit will be better for slow speed heavy riders? It doesn’t make sense to alter that, unless I’m dying during a programmed workout. For a start it’s not a magnetic sensor, and will happily detect a foot several inches from the trainer (my feet contain no metal AFAIK). In fact, I’ve argued for a bit now that it responds too harshly (due to the extra power). Once complete, the calibration is stored electronically in the trainer and will be recalled each time you turn it on. In this case, power readings from Assioma and Neo differ by 4-5%. Right now I’m lazy – it’s almost coffee time and I’m gonna need it to make it through this review before I gotta get going. Instead, what matters is actually a harder metric to make clear – which is the ability to simulate high grades and lower speeds (especially if you’re a heavier cyclist). Not fits – I’m suuuure. I don’t want to lose power and cadence from the power meter, I just want to have the speed from Neo and the controllable features of the trainer. There wasn’t much I could get from the Strava link. I was planning to purchase a Neo 2T but will delay doing so until there is no question that the issue has been resolved and, if needed, the pipeline has been refilled with updated / re-worked units. In this case, it overshoots slightly for these intervals, depending on how careful I am in gearing. I did pick up a gravel bike a few weeks ago, but my intent was to commute with it, so not sure I want to order another cassette for it, as I’ll be pulling it on and off on a regular basis as opposed to every now and again with the trail bike. Heck knows if that’s got something to do with it. Also it seems there is no way to adjust the height of the “rear wheel”. I can personally send you original fit files by e-mail, if you are then happy;-) But I have thought that as in other cases that I know, only negative experiences are discussed in posts like this. After reading it I decided to take the plunge and get a Neo 2T as it seems the most complete con the market (although the most expensive one. I have it paired as ant+ trainer, so it gets speed/cadence from 2T. When I tested both, I noticed quite a difference in numbers. Look around. When I’m less lazy, I usually cut out a piece of the paper envelope stuffs and tape it to the power adapter, so I know that it’s the Tacx NEO 2T. The road bike is older (the Di2 was purchased in April 2019), but as mentioned above the battery tested as fully functional. Sure, no problem. Direct-drive trainer calibration. So the best/only option is getting a Neo 2 T or use a different bike on my old Neo 1. It helps with back strain. Only the sound of your drivetrain is heard, and a very faint hum of internal fans/electronics. Spread the cost with 3 Years 14.9% Finance on Orders over £250. The P2max overreported consistently. Possibly something to do with all the steel left in there? 142 is 142. DOA … In the UK/EU/Australia/New Zealand? Now’s probably a good time to talk sound. Here’s my most recent gadget recommendations guide and trainers here – covering almost every category of sports gadgets out there. The Tacx NEO 2T follows most of the industry app compatibility standards as previous Tacx products, and essentially follows the industry norms as you’d expect from a high-end trainer. Note that because you remove the rear wheel I can’t use something like a PowerTap hub to compare as well (which I would use in power meter testing normally). As Ray has often said its impossible to know which power meter is actually “right” but i think it’s more important that the powemeters you own agree with each other relatively well so that you can use the data from each easily. Why haven’t you yet released a review for XYZ product you mentioned months ago? Try them if you can…. Though again, I’m not sure how many people will actually leverage that, given the trainer apps don’t support it. How easy is it to swap from drivetrain to the other, knowing I will probably need to install different kind of freehub adapters to accommodate the two systems. In my case I used one primary bike setup as follows in a bunch of configurations. Sure, let’s take a look at the TrainerRoad 30×30’s first since the data is a bit cleaner to unmask. In any case, with a cassette, you’ll need two tools. Als opvolger van de razend populaire NEO Smart beschikt deze fietstrainer over een betere pedaalanalyse, links/rechts-balansoverdracht en een nog beter binnenwerk voor een zeer realistische indoor fietstraining. Consistent power data brings a level of consistency to your training which in turn brings about those improvements every cyclist aims for. In that case, having a second freehub would still save time and mess, but swapping endcaps would be necessary too. Plus, would Garmin want to be in the position of proving that either the Vector, or the Neo were wildly/moderately inaccurate? There’s no better test of that than 30×30 repeats (30-seconds at a high resistance, followed by 30-seconds at an easy resistance). Thank you for info. – Thicker Wiring: This reduces the heat output and improves efficiency ANT+ Power Meter Profile: This broadcasts as a standard ANT+ power meter, with cadence data Perhaps it will get better with time with the magnets breaking in? Most trainers perform better using their own internally calculated power. Vergelijkbare producten Schwinn 510R Ligfiets - Gratis trainingsschema . Hi Ray, I have got a small idea for you to include in future trainers’ reviews (and also adding to charts for current ones). So a bunch of e-mails back and forth later with Garmin/Tacx today about it, and this is indeed a legit unit. Why does it matter to me? Still, much of the road-like feel is driven by the flywheel, and be it physical or virtual, flywheel sizes tend to be measured in weight. Thanks, John, I’ll likely give the Neo 2T a shot. Beyond attaching the cassette as we’ll discuss in about 6.2 seconds, there’s no assembly required for the NEO 2T. Thinking about just returning and getting an Elite Direto XR for the accuracy, I’m not sure I want to return and try another NEO 2T. What did your Neo record as an average for the same interval? For this post, I’ve compared it against the Wahoo KICKR 2018, CycleOps Hammer 3 and Elite Drivo II. None. I used the Neo 1 outside in well below zero temperatures (Toronto, ON) for up to three hours and never really had a problem. It all adds up. Hey Ray. So again, go forth. I like the flexibility of the extra BT connections because I also use a variety of devices. I just think it’s like the H2 I had, and having to use the Rouvy Windows app to calibrate it. No idea why all the drops. In every review I read about smart trainers anywhere they talk only about the “smart” aspects of changing the resistance, and I’m honestly unclear as to whether you can even control a turbo in a “dumb” way, like you would a spin bike. I've been using it as my main trainer desk for a long time now and love it. As we get into the start of the rolling hills, where the power quickly oscillates up and down, we see all the units tracking very closely: It’s frankly kinda boring to analyze how closely these units track. On a static trainer I always drop that to about 80. I’m looking to buy a trainer, but have put it off due to the lack of information/data about low speed resistance/sprinting. I’m considering the 2t as a replacement for my original KICKR. Complete a 10 minute warm-up on your trainer to allow the tyre pressure and temperature to stabilise. I set my weight in the Xert app. Yes, but it was the same in 2018 with the core, the neo 2, and in 2017 with others. 200w), Includes motor to drive speed (simulate downhill), Can directionally steer trainer (left/right), Can simulate road patterns/shaking (i.e. I was surprised to find out that my caliper lightly touches the Neo housing. Some bikes just do not work. :-/. Ok i know this is always asked and the answer is always it depends, and this comment should be on the review post….but i have been reading your reviews and looking and my mind is now numb. The flagship direct drive trainer from TACX gets an update with the Neo 2T. Troubleshooting to begin on what exactly (I think something Bluetooth to my trainer as I use Ant+ but have trouble connect f to the Tacx app). Three apps (Cycling, Utility, Training) and now with Garmin (who has yet to make user friendly software) in charge of Tacx. Both Gen1 monoblock and Gen2 2-piece. Will Garmin/Tacx come out with a Climb competitor for the Neo? Oh, and the link above supports the site! Quite a mess. By the way the Tacx Neo usually reads around 4-5% lower than my Quarqs. The Kickr allows me to pedal on the small chainring and largest cog for a far wider wattage range, whereas the Neo2T needs me to constantly shift through chainrings and cogs before it is able to keep the target wattage (with the huge errors mentioned above). These are media loaner units that go back to Tacx shortly. Do you actually hear a higher pitched rattle? Thanks, this is really helpfull. In this case, the substantially more powerful internals caused some unexpected downstream issues around control/accuracy. *shrug*). Thank you for the work you do! After having two of them crack apart, I get a refurbished unit to try to sell. There’s a spot at the top of the pedal stroke outdoors where the resistance just seems to go down. J’ai eu du bruit des charnières. (one actually says it ships with a quick release adapter but that is probably not the difference between them): *sigh* Power meters aren’t new, and not having support in the various riding apps is sad. Now I usually ride ‘workouts’ and also Road Feel doesn’t work during Zwift Workouts. Yep. The above is a perfect example of even 2-3 power meters/units that are widely respected in the industry for being incredibly reliable accuracy-wise can sometimes differ in certain situations. This is, however, a big improvement over back in August, when it was overshooting to 455-460w. He didn’t rule our that something might be off with the unit. But that’s true of many things we do on trainers indoors. No comments from 4iiii yet. Do I write to Garmin/tacx directly to know? I was originally planning to get the Wahoo Kickr, but their Camapgnolo adapter has terrible reviews (actually on their website, saying its not really working). Power seemed to be off at the beginning against my vector pedals but after a week of use power is very close (difference < 5watts on avg). I assumed zwift told the trainer how much resistance based on in game terrain and stats. The H3 is a lot quieter now. However, it is valuable for setting your correct weight so that you can get realistic grade simulation (as well as firmware updates). She had told me before that zwift felt much harder than outdoor riding but I didnt know what reason could there be since she had all her settings correctly in the app and I never suspected the trainer sending other data and overriding the app in use. I’d be surprised if they have a new new model after this year of ‘WOW!’. And this is the second test, some over unders 15 to 25 seconds, up to 325 watts. It’s why I test both FTMS and FE-C in most reviews, and across multiple apps. They were made for a broadband world. For instance I want to do muscle tension. Cobblestones will feel like riding on cobblestones. It’s funny… I noticed the bolts right away in your photo, but I couldn’t see the racing stripe for some reason. Tacx had previously promised FTMS support a year ago, but it’s not here yet for the NEO series. And even more so as they’ve taken over Tacx, I’ve heard almost no complaints but the opposite – people much happier than before. Poor circuitry is poor circuitry, the same way that a circle is round, and that’s that. You’re the first one to report issues beyond that I outlined in the review, with respect to ERG mode (I noted it was a bit aggressive actually – the opposite of what you’re saying). Nou ja, laten we eerlijk zijn: dit (dus de Neo 2 een betere opvolger een nieuwe naam geven: de Tacx Neo 2T) doen eigenlijk alle fabrikanten: steeds sneller een product op de markt brengen en dan in de loop van de tijd ze iets verbeteren en het dan een ‘update’ of ‘facelift’ noemen. (Sorry for my English – with the help of a Google translator from Czech ). Now, I only need to find a good deal on the trainer as well as Zwift! I thought I read that the spacing of the XD-R cassettes cogs as well as the cog thickness is comparable if not identical to that on the Shimano and SRAM 11-speed cassettes. Weird. It made them a target, and a lot of people love to tear down the leader. Here’s this data set: As you can see, the three units are always within just a couple watts of each other. I’m fine with adjusting the scaling on the 4iiii to match the power on the Neo but I’ll always wonder if this $2000 machine is out of spec. But ultimately, we both agree that nobody really wants to ride a trainer at 25% incline. Let’s see what they say. The outer bearing does need a ‘ring’ removed to allow access to the bearing. Thanks. I can’t remember if Strava shows pedal dynamics. Of course, like always, and for any product, I’ll nitpick a few things that could be improved. STILL! Electronics don’t like humidity. If drivetrain is a 2-3% loss, do I have a bad NEO 2T reading 10% lower? I really like the side-to-side rocking motion on the Kinetic; I think it makes a big difference in comfort compared to for example Spinning class bikes. Happy days and happy customers. Get all your awesome high quality DCR kit and gear here! The result is that the entire trainer electronic goes nuts and the trainer has to be powered off and restarted. It was nuts…and also a lot of fun. Favorieten Vergelijk Prijsalert 1 Afbeelding . You might have a problem with the connection between the 1030 and the Neo during the intervals. And in particular, I’m zooming into 6 of these sets, because there was an ANT+ dropout earlier in the workout to one of the recording units, so that’s distracting (and it could be the unit receiving). Today I forgot to set the weight back up and I did the same workout as last saturday, all numbers except heart rate and relative effort were basically identical. 2) Just unbolt the plate from the bike, if it uses one. I’d much rather do that than use something like Zwift. Secondly, I’ll probably mostly use it for Trainer Road or Sufferfest (Zwift is unlikely, I’ve tried it once it twice and I’m just not that arsed about the “social” aspect, I prefer structured workouts). My Di2 lasted for months. Now the Tacx NEO 2T (like the rest of the Tacx NEO series), doesn’t support any type of calibration. So it’s proven to be a great expense wasted riding in lockdown. I might just set up either of those trainers for my girlfriend and relegate myself to an old Kinetic trainer (wheel-on). There are some general questions which I’m painfully ignorant about that I could do with some guidance on. I watched that video and was troubled how he turned it into what looked like a Wahoo advertisement. 1) On bodies, the cassette attaches to the bodies, and not the trainer. Like, super rare. Sometimes it’s unit-specific, but oftentimes it’s just the nuances of interference. I looked at your Garmin connect and Strava lap averages. I’m thinking about upgrading my Neo 1 to a 2 T not due to the tire slip or something but due to the fact my new bike got a RAT Axle and the 2 T is the only bike with native thru axle support, right? Anytime you connect the phone to the diFly unit, you need to to disconnect explicitly or else it keeps the Bluetooth active trying to connect to the app resulting in problems you’re seeing. Hi! Umh, I am in the US, and all the people I know complains about their lack of support, even on Facebook, the only major issue with them is lack of support. Really). I ran them through the awesome DCR Analyser tool. – Does not heat over, fan works sliently for about 2-3 minutes after a 60 minutes long workout. You’ll see the trainer enumerated in a fairly similar manner on TrainerRoad as well: Also, TrainerRoad’s tips page on using smart trainers in ERG mode: I’d *strongly* recommend you either read that page, or just simply just do one thing: 1) Ensure you’re using the small ring up front: This is for ERG mode specifically, shift into the small ring to get better control. I have had noise from the hinges. Intuitively I’d guess it’s not strong enough in this case, and to far way from your pacer to be of concern but I can try and find out. Yesterday I tested tacx neo 2t (I’v waited a lot for this) and … is very very dificult mantain power, compare with my previous trainer (tacx genius smart). Hi Jouni. On the link which one is the tacx and which one is the 4iiii, what apps do you use to record? Now given the NEO 2T is a smart trainer, it’ll change resistance automatically in a few different ways, primarily driven by different applications/methods. Hi I think it is a good trainer. Thanks!! I have both Zwift and TrainerRoad, and on days when I just want to ‘get it done’, I rip a workout in TrainerRoad. – App Compatibility: Every app out there basically (Zwift, TrainerRoad, Rouvy, Road Grand Tours, SufferFest, Kinomap, etc…) They work perfectly and look as if they were truly designed for the trainer. I use Garmin Connect to get to those data elements. Not what the garmin 1030 told it to do, but the average power that the Neo had for the interval. It’d be interesting if Garmin could leverage their ownership of Tacx and the “road feel” component of the trainers, and the fact that modern Edges have accelerometers, to create a way to record the “road feel” of a ride for future playback on a trainer. Most of the time. This is notable if you’ve got multiple people in your household at dramatically different weights:”, Doesn’t apps like zwift send the rider weight to the trainer with the incline. I picked up a 2T and right before my starting my second ride I noticed a cricket sound coming from the trainer. It also helps that I can fold it up on itself at home and it generally keeps the kids from messing with the cassette. If I can’t get something to ride, I’ll go sane! It’s also worth checking for wear/stretch as that can make a big difference and give results like you’re seeing. 2T is one of the biggest engineering flops if tacx. And it’s excellent that the kept going with the requirements of the 2T for this SE model. The only thing you’ll lose is the ‘downhill drive’ capability, which spins the wheel forward when you descend down hills (to mimic how it works for the bike in real life). Thank you for the great review. Lap 2= 314/315. Here’s something to help a bit: link to dcrainmaker.com. Reading it, I thought the Neo2T was the Messiah of the smart trainers, the best of the best and so on and so forth. As a result, the NEO was essentially ruled out for me as this is far too fiddly for an expensive trainer. – Skewing of Magnets: This reduces vibrations and sounds FTMS & ANT+ FE-C don’t support Cycling Dynamics anyway, so that part doesn’t matter much there. . I finally decided to sell the Neo because I felt the Kickr had a more realistic “riding outdoor” feel. I’ve sorted it all by world geography, in an attempt to make it easy to figure out where I’ve been. Hey Ray did you get any update from Tacx on this question? I had been hoping this was just an oversight and quick fix with Zwift needing to add the 2T and Neo Bike to their look-up table, but Zwift’s public response (for the bike) so far seems to have been “Meh, perhaps we’ll think about it one day” which doesn’t fill me with confidence. No cost to you, easy as pie! But hopefully it will be ok. Here’s the levels being sent (the blue block) by TrainerRoad (in this case via Bluetooth Smart on iPad) and how quickly the 2T responded to it. When it comes to interval training, power accuracy is key. And my thanks? Are there any methods to validate the Neo’s accuracy aside from sourcing a set of power-meter pedals? I have no financial gain from this. For example, these intervals were all at 404w, so in theory I’d expect that first second (just one second) to be in the ~400-410w ballpark, but the NEO 2T slightly overshoots each time for the first second to about ~420w. The only legitimate reason to change gears in ERG would be to limit flywheel speed at the beginning of a workout. 230 lbs? I read all of your home trainer tests with a lot of fun and attention. Now technically speaking there isn’t exactly a power meter in the NEO series per se. I’ve used the Gravi-trainer with both the kickr and Neo 2T. Honestly, you’ve stated a lot of funky stuff in your comments here over the last little one.

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