Absolutely spot-on for me on all my rides: I know some people have had cadence issues on the 2T, specifically around longer derailleur cages and/or different crank arm sizes. Bottom line, the Neo2T is not that good. Apparently Garmin doesn’t know why. In Tacx app version 4.9.3, I can’t find any way to check, let alone update, the Neo 2T firmware. Anyway…… I’m curious how you are able to surface the L/R power data while using Zwift, which is where all my indoor training happens currently. They are having me run a diagnostic test and I will try a few things mentioned here. I was a bit disappointed that this was happening though. All the talk about spoons and metal sticks does is allow you to continue using a broken trainer and avoid talking to support. Any concerns with that? . That and I can no longer ride with my regular local crew because I can’t hold a wheel on the climbs. The actual apps don’t typically much matter, but rather the use cases are different. B) But they probably have a very small quantity of inventory. There’s technically no other way to achieve that today, even in some tests companies have done with online platforms it has a local component handling that BT/ANT communications. But my guess is that it could develop a further problem. But since you just spent a boatload of money on that bike, spending more money will feel natural to you. I’d probably incorporate a CLIMB like function. It’s … Pressed for time or mid workout…. I just got a 2T and hear the cricket sound as well. If we use netflix or play videos, it is very expensive. I feel your pain in that regard. 400w is the target power. Hoping to have helped, congratulations for your work already very good quality. Test it on your own power meter and see results. I’m wondering if it’s normal with the new magnets. The NEO is reading significantly lower than my left crank arm power meter. I think it is a cool feature which should be implemented by other brands – because there is no reason not to do it. The ‘Tacx Training App’? Reading it, I thought the Neo2T was the Messiah of the smart trainers, the best of the best and so on and so forth. Or you are confusing resistance mode with ERG mode. Tacx Neo 2 versus Tacx Neo 2T Smart. Cheers Ray. Ensure that the number of speeds matches your bike (e.g. Met zijn nieuw ontworpen motor zorgt hij voor een beter fietsgevoel tijdens beklimmingen en sprints. Thanks a lot. Any thoughts or experiences on this? Even when you are watching a live feed on the phone there’s a smoothing with the readout. Hi, is the recommendation to use the small ring in ERG mode primarily a “feel” and muscle activation issue or are there power accuracy considerations as well? 2) If it is with the spacer, do you recall having to spread out the frame chainstays to get the frame to fit over the endcaps? Did you review the cadence data in the Connect app (or other) to see if the cadence was being recorded properly? Same if I tell Zwift to take power from the Direto: it reads but doesn’t take control. (There is an app for that: TrainerRoad), Many trainers (real people here) frown on ERG mode. I wanted longer rides, and all the longest rides they had were 90 minutes. (see attached pic). Contact Garmin. Very essential in my opinion to get the outdoor feel. Maybe if I move the whole setup to the podcast recording room with the soundproofing now installed on the walls I’ll be able to hear it. Thoughts? Outright connection drops happen once or twice during every other training session, roughly. I have both edges. Zwift reports the ride’s data to Strava, and my Edge does too, so if you are going to do this, you need to have the data come from the Edge only. That potential for rubbing on the 2T is why the Kickr is something I am leaning to. I am not sure the Hammer can beat the Core, or the $200 price difference can have the Kickr beat a Neo with some of the little extra things it offers……….I would love opinions. Hi! Open the Tacx Utility app* and connect your smart trainer via the Bluetooth connection. Il s’affichera dans Garmin Connect. Here’s what’s different inside at a geeky level: – Stronger Magnets: This gives it the higher torque that eliminates the slip for the vast majority of riders (including myself) It’s also an issue for anyone using a Neo over BLE that hasn’t set their weight in their Tacx Util app (ANT+ will send rider weight to the trainer via most apps…. Anything above that feels fast. photo: Tacx. As an aside, I went from a Peloton to a direct-drive trainer because of the time limits of their rides, and the bikes being unreliable as to the power being put out and calibration being a shot in the dark. As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. And no, I’m no beast – my FTP is in the low 200’s and I ride less than a hundred miles a week. 230 lbs? Le reste du commentaire sur le «volant» n’a pas de sens, désolé. Later in the article you say their own Bluetooth protocol is used in Zwift as the standard one doesn’t support weight (which strongly implies Zwift is actually transmitting the correct weight…). After you’ve mounted your bike, you can also slide that front wheel-block under there as well. The Neo provides more accurate number than the precision. Since I had it up on the blocks, my back issues have disappeared. Here’s my most recent gadget recommendations guide and trainers here – covering almost every category of sports gadgets out there. In that case, I’d get a case opened up with Garmin support (not Tacx support), so that they can start digging into the files (include your Edge 1030 file). It turns out you DO have to enter the rider’s weight each time a new person uses the trainer. – Skewing of Magnets: This reduces vibrations and sounds I’m French and don’t speak English, I translate with Deepl, I would like to change my current home trainer (Bkool Smart pro 2), either to the Tacx NEO 2T or the Elite DIRETO XR. When executed with the Kickr, this workout in ERG mode is done exactly how its authors expected. Am still being told 3 to 4 weeks before I see one. Oh, on the caliper clearance: My Roubaix, the caliper actually does lightly touch the housing of the 2T. In this case, the substantially more powerful internals caused some unexpected downstream issues around control/accuracy. Anytime you connect the phone to the diFly unit, you need to to disconnect explicitly or else it keeps the Bluetooth active trying to connect to the app resulting in problems you’re seeing. With direct-drive trainers the calibration process takes seconds. Both the old Neo and Kickr just can’t replicate the climbs I do at my weight. other trainers are doing an estimated cadence. In my case, the above was recorded with an Edge 520 Plus. The only difference is the lack of ‘slip’ I talked about earlier, which is so tiny that most people probably wouldn’t notice it compared to a NEO 1/2. De trainer is stil en kan hellingen tot maar liefst 25% simuleren. He lives and cycles in the south of Italy. I could almost think that Bluetooth is smoking hard on the D-FLY, and the battery. Basically given up on the suito and was considering a Kickr Core. Unless that tiny bit of slip really bothers you, I’d keep what I’d got from a NEO trainer standpoint if I already had one. It is very annoying, and never happened with the Neo 2…. So I thought it might be useful to share my experience. At the moment the road feel doesn’t work in Zwift using ant+. For instance, the Neo2T is incapable of providing 240W of resistance if I am on the small chainring+largest cog+low cadence. I will try connect again al publish the result. I have the Neo2T (w/ the latest firmware) , I haven’t had any grinding noises or anything similar yet, but I also have the original Kickr 2014, and I must say that the Kickr is far superior when it comes to ERG mode workouts. Several factors can influence this, such as tyre pressure and ambient temperature. Maybe it’s just my riding style. Thanks for the response- very helpful. I was chatting with 2canbazza afterwards via e-mail, and he correctly pointed out that for ANT+ FE-C it will send it to apps (and apps will honor it), but not for any Bluetooth Smart connections except Tacx’s own app. Can you post two files from the same test as FIT files so I can review them properly? Oh, but you said it’s feeling like cobbles, or gravel. € 699,00 3 prijzen Vergelijk Vergelijken. Really useful review, thanks! I was very interested in the P2M file as I’ve been looking at one for my XC bike. On the Neo 1 it was very tight. I think it will come down to which one is easier to adapt to use with two separate and very dissimilar drivetrains. You must change time stamps to do that . I will keep both for several weeks to decide which one to keep. *shrug*). That My Friend would be awesome, i would love to be able to ride a race route, and then bring it back home and be able to train on the same feel. I bought a Neo 2T in late December, and used it a little bit in January prior to getting distracted by the ski season. I don’t want to lose power and cadence from the power meter, I just want to have the speed from Neo and the controllable features of the trainer. On Tacx webpage the “Select Options” button still does not do anything as far I can see. I basically said don’t buy it yet. In terms of resistance control, is it basically dependent on the app you happen to be using then? I’d much rather do that than use something like Zwift. So, let’s look at the underlying data from that set. It also seems like the 2T is louder (Fan noise) than the Neo 1. No one is mentioning the H3. So if you push out 300 watts at ftp, and the trainer can only deliver that resistance above 18km/h….. you can’t realistically climb stuff like Alpe d’Huez when you’re 80kg right? Possibly between the Di2 system and some bike computers that show the specifics of the Di2 system, gearing and such. Here’s the levels being sent (the blue block) by TrainerRoad (in this case via Bluetooth Smart on iPad) and how quickly the 2T responded to it. 3) There is a whole different approach I am thinking about and wondering if it is possible on either or both the NEO And Kickr. I’m not sure what else beyond that to be honest. It’s important that you’re not pedalling at this moment. Another very important parameter is the stability of the cadence, if it is not stable enough it is found on the power curve. Thank you in advance You’ll see that in the release notes of the firmware – which I also discussed above. But the best way for tacx reputation is request to stop to use this trainer with spacer and initiate recall/replace 2T. This is what I see usually. For problems like this, and others, always make sure you are on the latest firmware. The Neo 2T seems to be able to (hope I don’t burn it up). “Like” the Tacx page, and join the “Tacx Apps” group. You could choose to link only the Garmin or only Zwift to Strava, but that’s not great either: When you ride outdoors, you’re going to want your Garmin data on Strava, so you’ll want your Garmin linked to Strava. Annoying, but not a big deal. If you don’t check the average power recorded on both units you’ll never know. Thankfully it’s super easy to calibrate your trainer. Which generally means, in my experience, that either something is defective with your unit, or there’s some misunderstanding of how it’s suppose to work – as Mark noted above. It helps with back strain. I did like the H2 I had, except for the noise. Still happens with Road Feel off. P2M has been stable and reliable for years. Do you think that with the Neo family now in the market for a couple years and the 2t out for 12 months, there will be a successor to the 2t announced anytime soon? Still, that won’t matter 3 months or 6 months from now (or even today). And it’s excellent that the kept going with the requirements of the 2T for this SE model. So often I train inside for weeks during the winter just to go outside to get my legs hammered. So why record using the Garmin? Meaning, it’s too good at its job and it feels like running into a brick wall for these types of big shifts in power. Simply open the Tacx Utility App and connect your trainer. I’ve never used the Direto, but go with which ever brand you can get the best support for locally. Not on Apple TV unfortunately, only via ANT+ (which Apple can’t do). So the cadence sensor is on the non-drive side? I’ve been following the comments here, and read some complaints. Rosebikes (DE) writes on their description that the Special Edition uses the 2T’s axle and that the freewheels are only compatable to the 2T model, and the 2’s freewheels cannot be used. You have to adjust the pressure against the tyre to ensure the reading falls within the acceptable green shaded area, neither too tight nor too loose. This isn’t much of a feature for small guys but anyone over 200lbs will appreciate it while doing simulated rides. I used the Neo 1 outside in well below zero temperatures (Toronto, ON) for up to three hours and never really had a problem. I ran them through the awesome DCR Analyser tool. Look – my point is simple: There’s enough to be annoyed on the NEO 2T about already, without making stuff up that just doesn’t exist (I don’t think MIhai is making stuff up, I think there’s just some confusion or a legit defective unit). heads up in the UK at least – Wiggle have 25% off the Neo 2 which in my book would = “solid deal” territory…. I have done everything I can to clear up interference, including turning off my wi-fi, changing channels, having the BT dongle on a USB extension a foot from the trainer and the like. TraineRoad on my Andriod connected by ANT+ and also connected to Zwift ATV connected by Bluetooth. As others replied back to you above, what your saying indicates something very specific to your specific frame, or some sort of installation error on your bike. My left/right balance is close to 48/52. Whereas, the newest and the greatest trainer of them all, i.e. WiDeWo Ridderkerk. Hmmm. (I was so excited to have this new trainer, I swapped quickly) After finding a piece of blue plastic on the floor recently, I started investigating, and rediscovered the out of level issue, and put the left side up on two blocks, and opened a case with Garmin. I just tried to google training app data usage, and couldn’t find anything, but the more video the app uses, the more data it is going to use. I’ll record tacx neo2t with quarq xx1 in some ramp test, and compare the output and share with you. Disabling the strain gauge a couple of years ago narrowed the gap a little. I can see three price tags in your review and there is a “Select option” button on the tacx web page (the button does nothing in any of my web browsers). I set my weight in the Tacx utility app. Its been almost a year since you did it now, do you have any news / rumors about a Neo 3 or similar? When applying a firmware update to your Tacx Neo, you may see a “phantom” device listed on the devices tab... Garmin Branded Neo 2T Has No Real Feel Option in Zwift On the bodies, I was told they are easily interchangeable. If I use my teaspoon trick the cadence sensor response time is razor sharp and looks similar to the Garmin or Stages PM cadence sensors. For this post, I’ve compared it against the Wahoo KICKR 2018, CycleOps Hammer 3 and Elite Drivo II. Well, we’ll get to that in the First Rides section. I’m not reporting this to rip the 2T, but suggesting that people that have one look into whether their bike is level, and also remove their bike and check the legs and ‘struts’ where the substructure runs down from the hinges to the feet to see if there are any cracks. I think itf 2 agree well and one is off then its a reasonable assumption that the odd one out is the weak link so to speak. Calculating the confidence intervals I would expect the true value for the Vectors to be somewhere between 267.5 to 278.5 watts (+/-2%) and 279 to 285 watts (+/-1%) for the Neo. Yes V3 should be higher. That’s what this section is all about. Thin, sparse. On the 2T lately I’ve ended up in relatively low cadence(under 70) on intervals over 400 watts when riding in the big ring and using the 3-4 easiest gears on the cog. This was against a pair of PowerTap P2 pedals, the Quarq DZero, and the Tacx NEO 2T (data set here): As you can see, it’s pretty darn close. Here’s something to help a bit: link to dcrainmaker.com. I changed Tacx NEO 2T to Wahoo KICKR 4.0 (2018) due spacing and clearance issues. I did think there may be some interference as I’ve a couple of other 2.4Ghz devices and did try switching those off, which didn’t seem to make any difference. Maybe folks here can comment on both units regarding how to make it work for my Campagnolo gear…. They were made for a broadband world. My final question is on Zwift on Apple TV, does the 2t motor simulate downhill speed differently than KICKR? If I can afford some advice, it would be better to use local software like Perfpro to test the response time (and the erg mode) of different home trainers and you’ll be surprised how fast they respond. I know the Tacx is reportetly the gold standard for trainer power for accuracy but 5 years of power data with the 4iiii has me questioning the spread. The Tacx NEO 2T Smart measures your power with incredible precision, making sure that your data is accurate and reliable. 1min @ 150 watts. Seems the Kickr Core is the logical choice, but if i want some of the fun extras and additional incline go with the Neo line. In this review I’ll dig into what’s changed (and whether it’s worth an upgrade or skipping a good sale on older versions), as well as all the usual details around how well the trainer works with apps, accuracy, and everything else you could possibly ask. Like I always say – for me personally, it’s hard to separate the fact that I’m riding indoors from outdoors. In the UK/EU/Australia/New Zealand? Simply open the Tacx Utility App and connect your trainer. Looking at a Neo 2T for the upcoming Fall/Winter season and was wondering if you have any insight into if TACX will be updating it this year (3T?)? Well, I got my first ride in this evening, I had Favero pedals paired to edge, and the Neo paired to F3HR as a power meter. I have been using the Wahoo Elemnt to control the snap. This is disappointing – I guess they know that Australia has great weather and figure that those in the northern hemisphere are going into winter – and therefore need it more/will sell more. At 10km I began to make noise, like a bowl, as if something had been released internally. yup, and since Bluetooth sucks I’d rather stick with Ant+ and miss out on road feel! – Skewer Compatibility: All the skewers and adapters you could ask for: Road 130mm, MTB 135mm, 142x12mm, 148x12mm The KICKR does it too (even more than this). The only difference I can see is the Edge 1030 is also has an ANT FE-C trainer connection to the Neo so I’m suspecting it may have something to do with that. link to youtube.com. I did an interval training from trainerroad in ERG mode. How to choose the right Gran Fondo for you, Quantifying Training Stress on your Smart Trainer, How to: make your indoor training more silent, Training Techniques to Optimise Weightloss. As you have stated and I feared, re-centering and reindexing of the Ultegra 11-speed to work on the XR-D 12s could be a monstrous pain, particularly if I also want to take the same bike on the road and use it with my std Ultegra 11s wheel. Suuuure. Assuming 2% loss because of the leg bias and a 3% loss for the drive train, there is still a 10% difference. The app is also where you’ll update the firmware from time to time: Oh, wait – one more super important feature. Yeah, one person attached a small tea spoon (like, a coffee spoon) to their crank arm and that fixed it. Now I’m curious, I’ll have to look and see if there is balance data on past rides with the Tacx app, etc. Thanks for the review – can you elaborate the paragraph “ Next, while Tacx does have a mobile app for their trainer, it’s unlikely you’re going to use it much if you use other 3rd party software. My brain can only turn off so much of that. Then I realised I could get a new frame for wife’s aging bike and upgrade the groupset to 11 speed for less than the cost of one of those. De Tacx NEO 2 Smart is dé toptrainer van Tacx. Ultimately, what I’m wondering is, should I wait a few months or go ahead and pickup a 2T now if I find a good deal? It doesn’t impact your Zwift power output, but impacts how realistic the NEO feels. Here’s a bunch of random trip reports and daily trip-logs that I’ve put together and posted. – Max Wattage: 2,200 watts resistance Certainly is sensitive and not related to the cranks when it’s working properly. Vergelijkbare producten Schwinn 510R Ligfiets - Gratis trainingsschema . It’s all water under the bridge. I get no respect, I tell you. So for that, we need to actually look at the overlay from TrainerRoad showing when it sent the command followed by when the NEO 2T achieved that level. For reference, I had the older Rock and Roll Kurt Kinetic trainer and I could do 3 hour rides on it. Changing frequencies would be a start, but…. Regarding this: If the difference is proporcional %, then slope quarq could be root cause …. In conclusion: Peak accuracy leads to peak performance. Since my 4iiii is mounted on the drive side it makes sense it was reporting higher power. But yeah, not a compelling reason to go to that app just for that – especially since the Garmin will show it just fine. What gratitude, I tell you…‍♂️‍♂️, I keep watching for shipments of Wahoo bikes. I previously owned the first generation Neo comparing it to the Kickr over a couple weeks. But whatever. I also could see differences in the data using my P1 Powertap pedals. Though, some apps don’t exactly realize this yet, so you might see it listed on some apps. Any chance of “Poking the Tacx bear” Ray ? The two files posted on the Garmin page are recorded on different days. This Smart trainer measures your power accurately within 1%. We’re almost a year now since cycling dynamics was supposed to come out. On the grades above about 14% I found I was getting slip. I use my hamstrings more on inclines and almost all quads when decending. You … Yeah I’m gonna say there’s something wrong with your Neo2T, or something else is going on. Just a little bit goes a long ways in comfort, in my experience. I keep hearing about bearings, but that’s not usually a quick problem to develop. That’s a good question. I’ll have to poke why, one of the things Garmin specifically drives is near immediate global inventory. How easy is it to swap from drivetrain to the other, knowing I will probably need to install different kind of freehub adapters to accommodate the two systems. In other words, it warms up because it doesn’t refrigerate well. Cheap bearings are epidemic in the bike business. You can see it below where I’ve shown (with the three little dots) the first second of that surge and the Quarq shoots higher. Sure, the road to get here was a bit rougher than years past, but hey, better late than never. Below are the most popular. I don’t know how that might work with a steering unit. Except for the fresh air, the feeling on the Tacx NEO 2T resembles the experience outside. (Sanity in an insane world is quite a tough penalty), ‘Some days it’s not worth chewing through the leather straps’. Do you actually hear a higher pitched rattle? It helped me to decide to purchase the Neo 2T to replace the Kinetic R1 that I returned. Additionally, it’s recommended that the weight and height of each Membership are always up to date, to help ensure the most accurate numbers.”, I also asked Garmin and they said “The weight settings will be taken from the app you are using.”, I wouldn’t be surprised if customer services would get it wrong given it is a relatively niche issue. Would work in my mid Atlantic garage. I really like the side-to-side rocking motion on the Kinetic; I think it makes a big difference in comfort compared to for example Spinning class bikes. Dig deep enough with any product and you’ll find someone having a shit of a time. The P2M tracks a little lower but is still close. 6 key tips for setting your 2020 cycling goals, Best Road feel films available in the Tacx Desktop App, 10 simple ways to keep your bike in shape on the smart trainer. I’m inclined to say forcing the sensor into the existing casing is the problem? If I want more eye candy, and entertainment, I ride Zwift. I hate to send this back to Clever Training, but I can’t power match on Sufferfest and don’t want to work with two different sets of power data and TSS. If you’ve eliminated all the other variables, there’s something off. They have a plate that you can strap on the end of your left crank that will accurately trigger the cadence sensor. . I have the long board version so the climb rocks along with the kickr. Thanks for justifying my purchase after the fact You included a lot of information that will be very useful for tweaking settings and so forth as I get used to the new gear.

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